H!P 20th Anniversary~ New Group System Discussion

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Favorite H!P group addition?

Danbara Ruru -> Juice=Juice
16
20%
Yanagawa Nanami -> Juice=Juice
6
7%
Morito Chisaki -> Morning Musume. '17
15
19%
Funaki Musubu -> ANGERME
13
16%
Kawamura Ayano -> ANGERME
15
19%
Ichioka Reina -> New H!P Group
16
20%
 
Total votes : 81

H!P 20th Anniversary~ New Group System Discussion

Postby boinsie » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:55 am

Discussion about all the new groups is fractured between 3-4 threads, thought doing it all in one place might help to make it feel less messy. Feel free to discuss all the new additions and so on in this thread~!

Think I should I move over the comments that have been made this morning already in the other thread, or just leave well enough alone?
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Re: H!P 20th Anniversary~ New Group System Discussion

Postby RpgN » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:11 am

Finally a proper thread.

It might be a good idea to move comments from other threads to this one.
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Re: H!P 20th Anniversary~ New Group System Discussion

Postby Celedam » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:11 am

I think they should be moved, if it's easy to do. There might be some duplication and confusion at first, but it'll work itself out.
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Re: H!P 20th Anniversary~ New Group System Discussion

Postby Rysaria » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:22 am

Thinking more on it, Chisaki's the only one who's being tossed into a well-established group by herself. I'd be nervous as hell even if I was glad, the spotlight is on her for being a solo gen and in frickin' MM. She'll probably be adopted by 13th gen like Sakura was by 10th but she's the single person in the group that didn't join by audition.

As much as I wanted J=J to stay 5 because it feels way too 'late' to mess with its lineup, I'm okay with Ruru there. Nanami admittedly mixes things up a little too much but if baby monkey can look mature, Nanami can too eventually I hope.

Funaki fits 100% with Angerme and Kawamura honestly fits them (in my head) also. Angerme seems to absorb dancers who seem to use 150% energy compared to the 110% the rest do (Akari and Rikako for example), at least that's the best way I can describe it and Kawamura adds to it. She's also got legs for days and that's Angerme's thing so alright. (Side note, I'm really starting to worry about Maho now.)
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Re: Tsugunaga Momoko to graduate from Country Girls & H!P (6/30)

Postby Amped » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:39 am

Mizuki says when she turned around to face Chii-chan, her words couldn't come out and it didn't start out well. She apologizes for making the whole thing look a bit uneasy. She also says Chii-chan is very shy. The Morning Musume members were all very shy too. Please look forward to seeing 14th gen member Morito Chisaki and 14-nin Morning Musume. '17 perform in the Fall.
http://ameblo.jp/morningmusume-9ki/entr ... 70451.html
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Re: H!P 20th Anniversary~ New Group System Discussion

Postby Shabranikuduu » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:05 am

I have to say, I was really hoping that they'd leave Juice=Juice alone, and a small part of me was really hoping for a small group made up of Ichioka, Danbara, and Kawamura. But tbh, it's the same as usual with me, I get 2 seconds of footage of the girls looking happy/crying and everything else flies right out the window. I am a bit concerned about Chii-chan in MM but I'm sure it'll be fine. It is a lot to handle after all.

All in all, I'm very happy with the results and I can't wait to see more during the summer concerts.
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Re: H!P 20th Anniversary~ New Group System Discussion

Postby Yattaruchan » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:16 am

So, Chisaki, Yanagawa and Funaki are still gonna do Country Girls stuff in "parallel" to their new group assignments? I don't get that part! Is that gonna be like a Buono situation, like a once in a while thing, or literally just continuing with the group like Ishikawa in Country Musume back in the days?

Some strange shuffling I'll admit. Lets see how things go. I'm not going to go all doom and gloom over some relatively minor reshuffling. Looking forward to seeing how all this plays out.

I wonder if Ichioka's preference was to me in a new unit. The whole discussion with the parents thing.
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Re: H!P 20th Anniversary~ New Group System Discussion

Postby RpgN » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:36 am

I feel like additions to Juice Juice are the odd one out compared to other groups. This has nothing to do with the girls themselves but how Juice Juice has been positioned as a C-ute alternative mature group who doesn't have graduations and generation system.

This is my theory...but I think that Juice Juice was initially meant to remain as a 5 girls group. The issue is H!P
starting to have problems managing the amount of Kenshuusei members they have, not knowing what to do with them and not having the capacity to create new groups all the time or the need for new generations.

I don't remember the last time we had this many groups, so many members and so many Kenshuusei that have been training for so long and many ready to become idols.

Maybe that is the reason why they are also experimenting with this new system. It becomes easier for a girl to leave, be replaced or switched to other groups while allowing other girls to focus on other things such as school life.

Thoughts?
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Re: H!P Kenshuusei Thread - Ichioka, Danbara, Kawamura to debut; Takase, Kiyono part of new KSS selection

Postby LiamMusume » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:16 am

Amped wrote:Danbara Ruru - Juice=Juice
(with Yanagawa Nanami)

Ichioka Reina - leader of new group (other members undecided for now)

Kawamura Ayano - Angerme
(with Funaki Musubu)


So wait, are the debuting KSS new permanent members to these groups while the Country Girls are temporary members who will eventually go back to being Country Girls, are all of the members announced today temporary members and will eventually switch groups or are they all permanent members to these groups and the Country Girls members will just perform in Country Girls as a side project?
I'm so confused.
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Re: H!P 20th Anniversary~ New Group System Discussion

Postby boinsie » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:18 am

It seems like they're saying that the KSS members are permanent, but CG members are temporary (while still doing CG things during H!P concerts, and school holidays).
But really they're not being very clear about the whole thing. I wonder how much it's because they themselves don't really know what they're planning with this.
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Re: Tsugunaga Momoko to graduate from Country Girls & H!P (6/30)

Postby aerosuffly » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:20 am

Amped wrote:Mizuki says when she turned around to face Chii-chan, her words couldn't come out and it didn't start out well. She apologizes for making the whole thing look a bit uneasy. She also says Chii-chan is very shy. The Morning Musume members were all very shy too. Please look forward to seeing 14th gen member Morito Chisaki and 14-nin Morning Musume. '17 perform in the Fall.
http://ameblo.jp/morningmusume-9ki/entr ... 70451.html

She also said that it was like a surprise for her too. She was not told that she would be meeting a new member but simply told to turn around and wait. Then, when she was told to turn back, Chisaki was there, so she just went blank as she really likes Country Girls as it is after all. Chii probably went blank too. It is a freaking MM after all. She now has a big weight to carry on, and you cannot deny that there is always competition between members within MM. She will have to find her own goal to be happy in that kind of environment like she previously said in her blog.

I don't like to see any of the members feeling uneasy, but they are all good people, so I am sure they will work together, and Chii will blend in eventually.
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Re: Tsugunaga Momoko to graduate from Country Girls & H!P (6/30)

Postby Celedam » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:31 am

aerosuffly wrote:She also said that it was like a surprise for her too. She was not told that she would be meeting a new member but simply told to turn around and wait.

That's… That's… C'mon, Up-Front. :glare:
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Re: H!P 20th Anniversary~ New Group System Discussion

Postby boinsie » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:35 am

Yeah. I mean, obviously Dawa knew what was going on, and Yuuka also seemed to have understood. I wonder if MM's reveal was done first and they realized it went poorly, so they changed it up for the other two groups?
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Re: H!P 20th Anniversary~ New Group System Discussion

Postby Moh » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:37 am

I'm mostly satisfied with these decisions. :lol: I thought I would've preferred Ruru in MM., but she probably would've been put on the backburner.

Does this mean Musubu would be considered ANGERME's 6th gen? :?: It's already a given with Ayano.
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Re: H!P 20th Anniversary~ New Group System Discussion

Postby resop2 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:57 am

I wonder if there would be fan backlash if H!P decided that Ichioka Reina's new group would be a revolving group of Reina + seven KSS chosen by annual fan election? The other seven members would still be considered KSS and the group would be an indi group but Reina would be considered part of H!P.

This was sort of done before with Berryz Kobo, but the group got to be to popular and they dropped the revolving part.

Maybe they could be called the KSS4U8?
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Re: H!P 20th Anniversary~ New Group System Discussion

Postby Denki » Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:37 am

boinsie wrote:I wonder if MM's reveal was done first and they realized it went poorly, so they changed it up for the other two groups?

It was definitely done first.

June 6th, I wanna say (based on the early morning posts.)
Funaki Musubu was announced, was with ANGERME. Kawamura is not pictured, but she participated in the musical.
http://ameblo.jp/angerme-ayakawada/entr ... 28590.html

Chisaki was on June 5th.
http://ameblo.jp/countrygirls/entry-12281416060.html

Yanamin was after those two. That same day, they had the new member reveal for all three groups.
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Re: H!P 20th Anniversary~ New Group System Discussion

Postby boinsie » Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:52 am

Moh - I would assume she's considered 6th gen, and that the new J=J girls are 2nd gen?

EDIT: Ah, Denki, I wrote this before I saw your post. Interesting! So you're saying June 5th for MM leader meeting, June 6th for ANGERME leader meeting, and then another day entirely for J=J leader meeting & everyone's reveal?
But that also means these girls have known about this for upwards of 3 weeks now. Hopefully things will be smoother for MM when next we see them~! :heart:

It's interesting comparing how the different groups met their new members. Yuuka met with each of the new girls separately, seemed surprised by the girls but aware of what was going on. Fukumura met with Chisaki and was super quiet/reserved, apparently didn't realize what she was there to do. Ayaka met with each of the new girls in succession, but together in one room. Whether she knew ahead of time who was coming or not, it was very clear that she knew what she was there for and was outrageously welcoming of it.
Another difference was when it came time to introduce the new members to their respective groups, J=J's girls came in one at a time, and apparently the new girls hadn't been told about each other yet. Whereas both of the new ANGERME members met with Ayaka together. Just another weird difference between the meetings. I wonder what spurred these management choices? Or if it was just another "flying by the seat of your pants" choice...
The MM and ANGERME group meetings definitely happened somewhat after the initial intros. Different clothes, hairstyles on Ayaka & Fukumura, & Funaki & KSS. ANGERME are in single costumes, but MM are in some matching workout clothes? Anyone able to pinpoint when that might have happened? Anyway, the time between those meetings makes it seem even weirder to me that Fukumura was still in a really low energy mood. Even if you're in a weird headspace, you're the leader, get pumped! You only introduce new members to your group once!! I wonder if something crappy had just happened in her private life? It couldn't have just been C-ute disbanding. Hmm.

Anyway, as for how this is going to affect the groups, I'm cautiously optimistic? ANGERME girls seem like they'll fit, and MM is a mass of formation dance, one more girl won't hurt. I would have rather J=J stayed intact, but I think I can work with these two girls. They had better have Yanagawa play live sax for a perf though, for real. :grinning:
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Re: H!P 20th Anniversary~ New Group System Discussion

Postby Mirai » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:01 am

If I'm being honest, I'm really kinda sad it had to happen in the first place. I'd rather the shuffled girls join the debuting girls and form Ichioka's new group. I do feel like the groups are getting a little too large. I was hoping they'd not touch J=J, but at least they got Ruru. Nanami though, I love her, but I don't feel like she fits...? I'm also sad that Nanami and Musubu are split. I figured Chisaki would end up in Morning Musume so that works for me there at least, and I'm pretty okay with ANGERME. In time I'm sure it will all work out after the initial shock has worn off.
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Re: H!P 20th Anniversary~ New Group System Discussion

Postby JonCC » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:22 am

This ended up working out pretty well. :)
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Re: H!P 20th Anniversary~ New Group System Discussion

Postby Amped » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:02 am

Barks.jp has a transcript of the new members and leaders comments from the video if someone wants to translate it
https://www.barks.jp/news/?id=1000143823

Ichioka says since there is time before the other members are decided, she is focused on her daily lessons so she can become prepared to be a leader of the new group. It was her mom that cheered on since she was Kenshuusei, so of course that she would her tell mom the good news first.
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